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  1. Well I guess thats my answer if Retrospect 10 does not handle ACL in the catalog as it does POSIX? It should be done that way since a change to permissions is not a change to the data within the file. This being the case I would much rather have an option to turn off ACL modifications backup. If I had to restore files I would have to reset the ACL setting which is fine POSIX rules will be enough for me to know what is needed. This would really only be an issue with a massive restore. Knock on wood, I have not needed that, since I RAID all my data so drive failures are an easy fix now.
  2. Well this is my point exactly. You made the change via chmod which adjusted the POSIX permissions. What does an ACL change do? Where is that change made, to what part of the metadata? Why did Retrospect 8 under 10.4.11 ignore POSIX changes, and why does Retrospect 8 under 10.6.8 treat any ACL change NOT POSIX as if the file needs to be backed up again. This goes to the argument by other that the "Metadata modification time" changed so Retrospect makes a new copy but POSIX changed the "Metadata modification time" but never to my knowledge made a completely new backup of a file for only a POSIX permission change. I am using Retrospect 8 have been for years, under 10.4.11 previously and now under 10.6.8 which has Time Machine. I am testing an ACL change only, on a file tonight, and have a Time Machine test.
  3. I was using Retrospect 8 under 10.4.11 Server on an Intel Xeon Mac Pro, not Retro 6. The engine worked local but had to use my laptop (10.6.8) to administer changes via the Retro 8 admin. Under 10.4.11 < there was POSIX, which changes to, did not require the file to be backed up again. I believe just a change was noted to the permissions table in the backup so when a restore was needed the correct/most resent permissions where assigned. Under 10.5 > ACL is stable and needed in most cases to achieve inheritance. Metadata change or no Metadata change, the need to completely backup a file for an ACL permissions change does not seem to be needed. Am I then to assume that even when a file is "Opened", which creates a Metadata change to "Last Opened", but the file is not "Modified" that Retrospect 10 or 8 would backup the whole file again?? PS Going to test your claim with Time Machine, and see if a new copy of the file is saved for just an ACL change. Even if so there has to be a better way.
  4. Anyone know if Retrospect 10 solves this issue? Retrospect and file permissions problem? This just bit me in the @## this past week, over 700GB of data got backed up with the only change being ACL add. Had to since I just moved from 10.4.11 to 10.6.8 on a main file server. I have more permissions to tweek as well but I am holding off now till I find a solution. If 10 fixes this I'll upgrade, if not I'm hunting for a new backup tool cause this is nuts. Mike
  5. Q: What happens if you take that client out of the mix (or just turn it off so that it never gets backed up during the session)? A: And by me saying that "None of the two Macs are being backed up" to clarify further, Retrospect can not complete the back up process on either of the two Macintosh clients, we have tried. So both clients did fail and your question was answered, but maybe you missed that in his plea for understanding he was not a real admin. The only reason I pointed him back here was because the Apple OS X Server forum was not the place to respond to him. My time is short and I offer my free help more so to the OS X Server forums. I commend you for doing it here since both of us don't get paid for it. I more so pop in here to see if users run into problems with updates or new hardware before I leap. I've seen you both before and you are always helpful. I just found it hard to see that he was not trying to articulate his responses to you in the best way he could and at some point it looked as thought you where lashing out at him for not being more direct. Such is life and it appears since he has not responded since my suggestions that he might have fixed the problem. I'm going to drop this from my watch list. I was waiting to respond to you only to see if he posted back first on his issue but enough time has passed. I wish you continued patience with the users here and if you think you got non-techie questions/answers. I just had a guy Setting up an OS X Server ask what IP/subnet he should use since he should not use DHCP. Mind you, he posted no other info about what he was using the server for. Hmm, not the best person to set up a server I'd guess but what can you do, lol I'm dropping this post from the watch but drop me a PM if you feel like continuing this friendly ping pong game.
  6. Is there any word on an update for the Macintosh so we can dump the emulation of rosetta? I'm about ready to switch backup software since I fear that EMC has given up on us. I mean come on windows version is 7.5 and we are 6.1. Something is very wrong with that.
  7. Quote: Is this happening on all of the clients or only one? Quote: The Retro on that G4 Mac backs up all the PC's in the company (12 PC's running Windows XP) plus the Macs in the graphics department but since January 2007, the Macs aren't being backed up but the PC's are backed up just fine. Prior to January, the Macs were able to be backed up. What happens if you take that client out of the mix (or just turn it off so that it never gets backed up during the session)? Quote: What OS and version is the client running? Quote: All the Macs are running Tiger. What client version? Quote: The Macs are running client 6.1.130. What type of machine is the client? Quote: One of the other Macs is a G5 Desktop, 2 GB SDRAM, Dual 2ghz processor. The one I'm on is a 2ghz Intel Core Duo, 2 GB SDRAM. How much memory on the client? Quote: One of the other Macs is a G5 Desktop, 2 GB SDRAM, Dual 2ghz processor. The one I'm on is a 2ghz Intel Core Duo, 2 GB SDRAM. How much memory on the G4 Mac Desktop running Retrospect? Quote: Retro. is running off one, the G4 I mentioned before. It has 1.5 GB of SDRAM and is a Dual 450mhz processor. What is the network topology (is client on the same subnet? is there a router or L2/L3 switch in between client and the Retrospect Mac?) Quote: The client Macs are on the same subnet as the Retro. installed Mac and they are networked through a centralized data port. Russ Russ what the hell, most of the questions where answered in the terms we are used to by non-techie folks. At some point he does say 10.4.9 tiger or maybe it was his other post on Apple forums. He has 3 Macs Specs above running 10.4.9. One Mac runs Retro 6.1.126 server Specs above the other 2 won't back up. Sometimes he gets a 519 error till the most resent driver update in which he get a partial update till Retro server Hangs requiring a force-quit. Anyway I would ask the Pros to come back and have a look at this since it could be a 10.4.9 issue with Retro Client 6.1.130 If Russ or others don't reply back I would try this. 1. Do a Immediate Backup Picking only one of the clients and then the Other. Record your results for both attempts. (i.e. Retro Log entries, What file in the widow it hangs, just any observations you may have in common or not between the 2 attempts). Since I might not get back to you right away try the following to resolve the issue. 1. Delete the Client from the "Backup Client Database" and un-install the client software from the unit. (make sure you have software to reinstall.) 2. Reinstall the client and Add it back to the "Backup Client Database". 3. Make sure there is no active firewall or virus software active on the client. 4. Close all unneeded Applications on the client. 5. Try the Immediate Backup again. I would also consider Russ's suggestion of going back on the Driver since that is where I have gotten that "Server Hang" during backup issue before. To be honest I would rather see a 519 error because then it is pretty much down to a client network issue.
  8. Still no reply here no one has any shutdown service restart service after backup scripts????
  9. Are you saying that it is unnecessary to shut down postfix and other services to get an accurate backup for restore? Here are the errors. - 8/30/2004 1:00:21 AM: Copying Macintosh HD… Can't read file “log.0000000002”, error -43 (file/folder not found), path: “Macintosh HD/private/var/imap/db.backup2/log.0000000002”. Can't read file “mailboxes.db”, error -43 (file/folder not found), path: “Macintosh HD/private/var/imap/db.backup2/mailboxes.db”. 8/30/2004 1:07:36 AM: Comparing Macintosh HD… File “console.log”: different data size (set: 174,378, vol: 174,626), path: “Macintosh HD/Library/Logs/Console/markone/console.log”. File “log.0000000002”: different data size (set: 9,409,389, vol: 9,409,925), path: “Macintosh HD/private/var/imap/db/log.0000000002”. File “log.0000000002”: different data size (set: 9,403,116, vol: 9,409,389), path: “Macintosh HD/private/var/imap/db.backup1/log.0000000002”. File “mailboxes.db”: different creation date/time (set: 8/30/2004 12:34:52 AM, vol: 8/30/2004 1:04:53 AM), path: “Macintosh HD/private/var/imap/db.backup1/mailboxes.db”. File “user.sonsonso”: different creation date/time (set: 8/30/2004 12:54:46 AM, vol: 8/30/2004 1:07:02 AM), path: “Macintosh HD/private/var/imap/quota/m/user.sonsonso”. File “user.sonso”: different creation date/time (set: 8/30/2004 12:39:21 AM, vol: 8/30/2004 1:07:02 AM), path: “Macintosh HD/private/var/imap/quota/t/user.sonso”. File “mail.log”: different data size (set: 582,586, vol: 582,989), path: “Macintosh HD/private/var/log/mail.log”. File “system.log”: different data size (set: 34,141, vol: 34,262), path: “Macintosh HD/private/var/log/system.log”. File “access_log”: different data size (set: 217,939, vol: 221,251), path: “Macintosh HD/private/var/log/cups/access_log”.
  10. Ok what I'm looking for is someone who has done my work for me, lol. Seriously I need a way to safely backup my Mac OS X 10.3.5 Server which Retrospect runs on. I always get some files that can't get backed up or have changed on the Verify end. Yes I know storage sets go on another volume. I'm more concerned with the postfix Mail DB and the like. In older versions of Retrospect for mac You had Scripts or Preference settings that shut the Mail off during Backup and Lock AFP shared Volumes or share-points. Has anyone done this successfully and if so can you share your work. Please post or e-mail me your scripts with basic instructions. I'm no novice but am very short on time and if someone has done this which I'm sure they have I could use the help of a head start on Scripts I can customize for my needs. Just to let you know I run the following services on my OS X Server on a G5 Dual 2.0. AFP, FTP, SMB, WWW, CUPSD, SNMP, LDAP w/MCX, kerberos-KDC, DNS-BIND, Mail-postfix, and VPN. oh, MMgr for some old OS 9 Clients and radmind to sync clients. What I need is a Script or Scripts that will safely shut off the services that can't be backed up while running and Restart them after back-up is done and/or Lock AFP shares too.
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