inzirillo Posted March 25, 2009 Report Share Posted March 25, 2009 You are talking about the "Retrospect 8 Users Guide" in your manual "Retrospect 8 Getting Started" . Where can I found this manual ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mayoff Posted March 25, 2009 Report Share Posted March 25, 2009 It is not completed yet. We note this in the "known issues" KB document. We are still finishing up the user's guide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inzirillo Posted March 25, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 25, 2009 I was not sure if I have missed something. I will wait to get this user's guide. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucius Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 What is the ETA of the user manual? R8 was released nearly four months ago. The gist of the explanation given for no manual was that it was still in draft form, the release was held up pending some remaining edits, and "we're working on it." That's difficult to believe, because if the manual were really already in progress in March, one wonders why we don't have it by now. One possible explanation is that the manual was in progress, but the tech writers were taken off it to work on something else, and it's internally on hold. Which I guess would be even worse. Another possibility is that the R6 -> R8 changes were so great that the manual is a b*tch. But if it was already in progress in March, we'd have docs by now. Entire operating systems can be documented in less time. So as an experienced user, I don't understand this at all. I suggest that releasing a user manual draft would be better than nothing. I'd rather have some pages marked up as being out of date than have nothing at all. I can choose to ignore the pages so marked, or read them with a grain of salt. There have been many questions posted here about options, checkboxes, etc. that searchable product documentation would answer. Thanks for listening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhwalker Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 Forum response: Product keeps changing Brooks, Frederick: The Mythical Man-Month Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucius Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 Your point is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhwalker Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 Your point is? Those who have managed large software projects and who have read Frederick Brooks' seminal work will understand. I suspect that it's neither of the causes that you suggest. Russ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mayoff Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 The guide is still in the works, but is getting close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwindrem Posted July 23, 2009 Report Share Posted July 23, 2009 "getting close" doesn't help much. I've just made the switch to R8 but it is so different than version 6 that I'm having trouble planning a backup strategy. The getting started guide gives you the basics but no detail. Some well organized KB articles might ease the transition pains until the manual is released. Or maybe sections of it can be released in preliminary form. For example: What's the R8 disaster recovery mechanism? Some details on rules would help since they don't work the same way as selectors in previous versions. Source-to-Disk-to-DVD needs some explanation. Can you restore the original source directly from the DVD? In a disaster, catalog files could be lost. Is there a way to include them in the DVD for use during recovery? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CallMeDave Posted July 23, 2009 Report Share Posted July 23, 2009 What's the R8 disaster recovery mechanism? That would depend on your backup policy and your disaster recovery planning. Can you restore the original source directly from the DVD? Yes. In a disaster, catalog files could be lost. Is there a way to include them in the DVD for use during recovery? Backing up catalog files has _always_ been a wise thing to do, but it's unclear what you are expecting when you specify "the DVD." Which DVD are you talking about? It's all about your policy, what you backup, what you expect to restore, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lylehm Posted October 9, 2009 Report Share Posted October 9, 2009 I'm not sure if this is a dead horse. If it is, sorry for beating it. I could use a little light reading over the weekend. Is there a Retro 8 Mac Guide as yet? My KB searches aren't getting me the content I'd like. Such as, "how to backup and restore an entire Windows (insert variation here) Server." Some best practices would be nice too. Apologies if all this it out there already and my impatience is keeping me from finding it. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mayoff Posted October 9, 2009 Report Share Posted October 9, 2009 Not yet, but we are getting close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lylehm Posted October 9, 2009 Report Share Posted October 9, 2009 Well, heck. Don't waste time answering me! Get back to that manual! :-) Really though, thanks for that ridiculously fast reply. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhwalker Posted October 9, 2009 Report Share Posted October 9, 2009 Here's the most recent status update from seven weeks ago: Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 13:40:57 -0700From: "Ullman, Eric" Subject: Where the @#%& is my Retrospect 8 User's Guide? To: EMC Retro-Talk Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Please feel free to choose the expletive you deem most suitable. The Retrospect 8 User's Guide is a particularly frustrating pain point. So what's the deal? The Retrospect team no longer has a dedicated staff tech writer. Knowing that EMC didn't have any tech writers familiar with both Retrospect and the Mac, and knowing also that to train someone on both would be quite a job, we wanted a tech writer who at least understood the Mac. Then we lucked out and ended up finding someone who understood both Retrospect and the Mac: long-time Mac journalist and author, Tom Negrino. (Those of you who remember MacWEEK may recognize Tom's name right off the bat.) While some of the information can come across from the Retrospect 7.6 User's Guide, as Henry suggests, the methods for performing most actions are completely different. Combine Tom's other responsibilities with the fact that we were making changes to the UI up to the very last minute (and still are, really), and that extends the schedule for a User's Guide. The good news is that it's getting close. Tom has been cranking along, and I'll be editing chapters this weekend. We have Iomega's tech writing staff ready to handle layout for us, since neither Tom nor I excel at that kind of work. Anyway, I expect that we'll have the User's Guide finished in about a month, which is pretty close to when we'll be shipping an update with Snow Leopard support. Of course, we'll announce it here as soon as the User's Guide is available to download. Cheers, Eric -- Eric Ullman Director, Product Management EMC Retrospect ullman_eric@emc.com http://www.retrospect.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistvan Posted November 17, 2009 Report Share Posted November 17, 2009 (edited) Not impressed at all. Nearly a year later since product announcement, 8 months since product release, and 3 months after the response letter was posted and NO manual anywhere online. No draft, no excerpts - nada. This is a HUGE stumbling block trying to figure it out on my own. And who cares if there are interface changes? If the GD manual is digital - it should take NO TIME to edit it online!!!! Send me an email there's a revision. I'm about to toss it at the window. WHY should I buy this product if I can't figure out how to get the DEMO to do what I want?!! Friably yours. Edited November 17, 2009 by Guest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrBoar Posted November 25, 2009 Report Share Posted November 25, 2009 Being "close" is as far from done as "allmost pregnant" is to pregnant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lisowskiw Posted December 25, 2009 Report Share Posted December 25, 2009 (edited) Is there anywhere we can sign up to be notified when the User's Guide finally becomes available? I was eager to upgrade to Retrospect 8 over the holidays, but when I found out that there's no real documentation available, that was a deal-breaker. (I know the movies are out there, but I'm waiting for the book to come out.) Edit: ... then I read the Snow Leopard compatibility statement. Perhaps it's time for me to move my household to something else. I'm just a home user with 3 Macs to backup, not trying to make a career of it. Edited December 25, 2009 by Guest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scsctech Posted December 30, 2009 Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 How about just releasing what you have written so far so we have SOMETHING to work off of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cpguru21 Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 At least if there was "some" news on what is going on with the Retrospect product, I might be able to shake this eerie feeling that this product line might be ending.....Notice less and less post by support members? Maybe they just really busy....some info on what is being worked on may go a long loooong way to easy some pains here for end users, and let us know you are still thinking of us. As an FYI, the last phone to tech support I had indicated late January **holding breath** 2010 for manual. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mayoff Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 I don't know why you think the product is being ended. That is totally not true. We are always putting out product releases, just a few weeks ago we did a major release of the Windows product and we have Mac product updates scheduled for January (if I have my schedule right). We have multiple Mac product releases scheduled for 2010, including releases with new features not just bug fixes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lisowskiw Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 That's good news, thanks. As someone just trying to get the job done, not make a career of Retrospect, all I know is what I see on the discussions I stumble across, and you must admit this topic hasn't shown the progress that EMC suggested we could expect, nor updates to help us recalibrate our expectations. :confused: Despite my post from a few days ago, I wound up spending Christmas Eve Day, Christmas Day, and Boxing Day working my way through the conversion to Retrospect 8 and am glad I converted, less so about spending three days on the process. A manual might have shortened the process by helping me nagvigate the subtle differences in Retrospect 8 (like, there doesn't seem to be an easy way to activate an inactive Proactive Backup script). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cpguru21 Posted January 8, 2010 Report Share Posted January 8, 2010 Im glad to hear Mayoff. Thanks for the update. The only thing I have to go on are these forums and the "news" section on the web site. Latest news is from Jan of 09. I dont use windows so I would not know about those updates. Are you really shocked :omg: about my comment: "At least if there was "some" news on what is going on with the Retrospect product, I might be able to shake this eerie feeling that this product line might be ending....." taking a moment to say "hey guys sorry...updates coming soon" which you just did, goes a long way to making me feel more comfortable about the product. Thanks for the update Mayoff. :thanks: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maser Posted February 10, 2010 Report Share Posted February 10, 2010 News (of sorts!) On the Retro-talk mailing list today, Eric Ullman dropped this: We are acutely aware of our resource limitations, and the fact that Retrospect 8.1 still needs lots of work (and a User's Guide--which is now in final editing and layout), but the development of this iPhone app didn't impact any of that, and it provides a hugely useful capability. "final editing" sounds good. Now the "how long will it be" countdown can start from Feb 10... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mayoff Posted February 10, 2010 Report Share Posted February 10, 2010 It should be fast. We have hired an outside person (not the technical writer himself) to do the layout. Most of the final edits are done. We are on the home stretch! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhwalker Posted February 10, 2010 Report Share Posted February 10, 2010 It should be fast. We have hired an outside person (not the technical writer himself) to do the layout. Most of the final edits are done. We are on the home stretch! Robin, I'm not trying to be negative here, really I'm not, but I don't see much difference in the reported status from almost six months ago: Where the @#%& is my Retrospect 8 User's Guide? The good news is that it's getting close. Tom has been cranking along, and I'll be editing chapters this weekend. We have Iomega's tech writing staff ready to handle layout for us, since neither Tom nor I excel at that kind of work. Anyway, I expect that we'll have the User's Guide finished in about a month, which is pretty close to when we'll be shipping an update with Snow Leopard support. Estimates sometimes are wrong. I've been in that same situation myself. In the spirit of a constructive suggestion, I think that better communication as to the status might help. This is the first update since August 21. Russ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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