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I am using Retrospect Pro 7.0 with a Windows XP SP2 host and a Windows 2000 SP4 client. I have installed all of the latest updates, and have been having this problem for quite some time.

 

I am very seldom successful in getting a complete backup as the client will hang quietly. It doesn't seem to matter where or when, but sometime during the backup it will hang. Eventually, I have to stop the script running on the host, but even then, the client thinks it is still in use. The only way I have found to get the client to be accessible again is to re-boot the client. I have tried disabling/enabling the client control panel, but this doesn't work.

 

There are no errors in the log file, and the "elapsed time" counter in the Acitivity Window stops counting time when this happens. If I Stop the backup, the host thinks it is stopped, but the client is inaccessible.

 

Any ideas anyone? I could sure use some help. I have tried various verions of 7.0 on the host, and both 7.0 & 7.5 on the client. The problem is always the same.

 

Thanks much!

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Neither of these machines are wireless. They are connected (hard-wired) to a very simple network consisting of 2 Linksys 10/100 hubs, with one of them also acting as an Internet router and firewall. There is only one network interface on the client, and the internet connectivity remains, so there certainly is no loss of the physical connections.

 

Any other ideas?

 

Thanks,

 

Norm

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I have updated all of the drivers, so that shouldn't be the problem. I haven't tried a ping -t during a backup, so I can try that. In my experience with this, though, without backups running, I have never seen any packet loss. ALso, there is nothing that looks relevant in the event viewer.

 

The one thing that is unique is that these machines don't have a local domain controller. Do you think that could be related?

 

Any other ideas?

 

Thanks,

 

Norm

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Hi Norm,

 

The client should work equally well with or without a DC. Did you get any useful info out of that ping test?

 

Could you give a little more detailed description of your network? Are both machines plugged into the same Linksys device? Are both Linksys devices the same model? I'm wondering if there is some problem with data being routed correctly between the two devices - this is assuming they are connected seperately.

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There appears to be no data loss from the ping -t command, even when the client is hung. I tried it from both sides (client and server) and both respond consistently (and rapidly).

 

The two Linksys hub/wireless routers are exactly the same model (WRT54G), but the client and server are connected to two different ones. One of the routers is configured only as a wireless access point and a hub, while the second one is configured as a wireless access point, hub and internet router. The client is connected to the router directly and the server is connected to the hub/access point. However, there are no wireless connections being enabled.

 

Obviously, since the pings are working fine, there is not a problem with the router/hub configurations.

 

What else might be happening? The client is hung again as we speak...

 

Thanks,

 

Norm

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I have never tried to do a "direct connect" between two Windows machines. Can you just take a crossover "Ethernet" cable and connect the two machines directly? WIll they find each other without any DHCP & DNS services, etc? Is there any other configuration that I need to do?

 

Thanks,

 

Norm

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  • 2 weeks later...

OK. Now, I have tried a direct cable connection with a crossover Ethernet connection. I still get exactly the same problem. The client hangs forever silently. When I stop the backup on the server (it does eventually stop), the client still thinks it is in use by the server.

 

It is obviously NOT the network. Can someone please try to help me solve the real problem, which appears to be in Retrospect?

 

Thanks,

 

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Norm,

 

I'm not trying to argue with you or put you off, but Retrospect works fine without this problem for lots of users, myself included. I would be willing to bet that if you put the client on another machine and tried to back it up, it would work. However, since it sounds like you're working with your personal computers at home, you probably don't have spare machines laying around to try this out on. One thing to note is that while we've eliminated the routers and network cables as possible problems, we have not eliminated the network cards as possible points of failure.

 

Since there are no errors reported anywhere, this might not help. But, you can try turning up the logging level for client networking. In Retrospect, press CTRL+ALT+P+P. This will bring up the Retrospect secret preferences window. In the debug logging section, turn Networking up to 6, then reproduce the problem. The network logging will be written to the operations log. Please post the excerpt for your test backup here.

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Sorry for the long post, but here is the log where the hang occurred with the Networking debug turned up to 6. I hope this helps you figure out what is going on. This was a pretty small backup (about 50 MB)that started at about 8:45 PM, hung about 10 minutes later (according to the elapsed timer on the Server display) and I finally had to cancel the job at almost 5 AM the next day.

 

Thanks for your help.

 

Norm

 

 

+ Normal backup using Norm-L400 Backup at 9/10/2006 8:47 PM

To Backup Set norm-l400 Backup 3...

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Retrospect Professional only supports Open File Backup on Windows XP.

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- 9/10/2006 8:47:39 PM: Copying Local Disk (C:) on norm-l400

9/10/2006 8:47:39 PM: Connected to norm-l400

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Looks like we're having a very similar problem if not exactly the same.

 

We're running Retrospect 7.0.344 Multi-server on Windows 2k server. When backing up two Win XP SP2 clients, the server hangs on "Preparing for Open File Backup." Exiting retrospect fails and we have to kill the process. We can turn off the client throught the control panel and the server recovers. This occurs with two different XP SP2 machines in our environment. We have many others that do not exhibit this problem.

 

I've disabled the XP firewall and disabled system restore. We do have Norton Antivirus installed but the option to scan on backup is disabled.

 

Our network is gigabit switched to the desktop and pings never fail between the machines.

 

This is a particularly bad problem as the rest of the machine son the network do not get backed up as the proactive backup is stuck on the XP client forever.

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Hi,

 

If the failure consistently occurs during "preparing for open file backup," then there is likely a problem with the volume shadow copy service (VSS) on these two client machines. Have you checked the Windows event viewer on these two machines to see if there are VSS errors? Try running an immediate backup of these two clients with the option to backup open files disabled.

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Hi Norm -

 

Have you tried a new/different NIC in the machine?

 

Is it possible to tell when the hang is occuring? Copy? Verify? Creating Snapshot?

 

Are you backing up the root of the C: drive? Do you see the same behavior if you backup a subvolume?

 

Can you install Retrospect directly on that machine and run a backup? This would help eliminate network/client problems.

 

Hope that helps...

Amy

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The problem still exists in my environment also. This is a major pain in the rump. After years of working with Dantz on the Mac with few if any issues, I'm very frustrated with this version of the product.

 

As per your post:

- Have you tried a new/different NIC in the machine? (Yes)

- Is it possible to tell when the hang is occuring? Copy? Verify? Creating Snapshot?

(As per my earlier email: the server hangs on "Preparing for Open File Backup.")

- Are you backing up the root of the C: drive? (Yes)

- Do you see the same behavior if you backup a subvolume? (Haven't tried yet.)

 

Can you install Retrospect directly on that machine and run a backup? This would help eliminate network/client problems.

(Not an option. We provide detailed network product testing for one of the major networking companies. We do not appear to have any faults on our corporate network.)

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