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  1. Nigel, Thank you for your help! So this raid only unmounted on its own when Ret was copying a media set from it (reading). Never has it unmounted otherwise. That makes me think its a poss. issue with ret. Maybe ret paused long enough for the raid to self sleep? Really not sure what happened. But i know it happened 2 times. When I checked "match" and "dont dupe file" for the script and re ran it (third time BUT I did a "cat rebuild" first as tech support recommended). I did not do a cat rebuild before the other 2 times. ret finished up and i now have a dupe of the media set on another drive (single internal drive). This new single drive is the same model drive as the raid's. (the other single drive was not). Not that is should matter though. Agreed on when to use DU. If 1 raid drive was to fail, showing the red light on the enclosure, Id complete the process per instructions to replace the bad with a good drive and let it do a hardware rebuild. I get what your saying about the "unexpect'd unmount". That does keep the concern in the back of my mind..... 😞 I did email macsales.com but havnt heard back from them. all the best! brad p
  2. David, thank you for all your help. You have been instrumental in my edu for ret. You have educated me more than you realize. I want to convey my appreciation for all you have done for me. thank you..... I did a copy backup script today, and although it took a while for "match" and "dont copy dupes" to complete, I dont think it will be a time burden to run the script periodically. Saving my arse in case of "the sky is falling" on the raid drive. If I duplicate every client folder backup script to my SAFE drive, and get the SAFE copy done that way, I dont think it will save much time as just doing the "copy backup" script. Copy bacup script seems to take a lot less time the duping every client script. And easy to deal with. Gratitude! bradp
  3. Q: Is it possible to use 1 script to backup to 2 different media sets that are on 2 different drives, with 1 script execution? It seems that running a script, even when the script is set to use 2 media sets, you can only choose 1 set in the run dialog. Is there any way to select 2 media scripts so data goes to both sets with one run of a script? Workaround: You could make 2 identical scripts and just change the destination on one of them, then run them concurrently... ?? thanks bradp
  4. Lennart, You have helped me a lot, i want to thank you for that! best! bradp
  5. I realize iv posted this in another thread.... I was worried about the raid due to the unmounting.... Im under impression that unexpected unmounting can create data corruption. Yes, it was in the "read" in not "write" task (having data copied "from" the raid while it unmounted) but im not an expert in this area therefor extremely cautious here.
  6. Hi! I will be getting a OWC raid drive, https://eshop.macsales.com/item/Other World Computing/MED3FR7T08.0/, and Id like to move the backup set thats on a single ext drive to the raid. I havnt setup a drive in a while and never moved a BU set. Im wanting to do it up right the first time. 🙂 I have version Ret 9.01 (401) and mac os 10.11.6. I have currently one BU set named SFA 3 that uses a 4T ext drive (single drive OWC). ( I have other sets as well, using DVD and DDS3, ya they are old). I dont want to add any data from those old sets. And Id like to move SFA 3 to the new raid drive im getting. I think it should be easy, but maybe you could outline the procedure. I do not want to keep the BU set SFA 3 on the single drive, Ill use that for another purpose. My goal is to have the raid in mode 1 for mirroring, for safety. Its a 8T raid (4T storage capacity). Thanks for all your help! brad p
  7. Hi David, No its not a NAS. This is the drive im using https://eshop.macsales.com/item/Other World Computing/MED3FR7T08.0/ thanks b
  8. David, Thanks for do all that searching. Helpful! i have another 4TB drive on the way and plan to try a "copy media set" again. Im not sure why it unmounted during the copy before. If i can get that solved ill be able to move on, hopefully. At least with the 2 4TB drives i can have a safe copy aside from the Raid copy media set trial. The unexpected unmounting of the raid drive gave a bit of panic. So I feel I need at least a finder copy of it somewhere before screwing with the raid again. b
  9. You are correct about finder copy worked fine. I did submit a ticket and am corresponding with support. I have to say, because of the time lapse in corresponding, lots happens between comments. its been difficult to convey everything to them. Q: Whats your take on using Mac "disk utility's first aid" on a raid enclosure with 2 4TB drives in mirrored mode. https://eshop.macsales.com/item/Other World Computing/MED3FR7T08.0/ Because disk first aid would see 1 drive. How does that work within the raid enclosure? Can one drive need fixing and the other not needing fixing? If disk first aid fixes an error, how does that translate to 2 identical drives? This raid doesnt have a external controller or software controller, its all inside the enclosure. So there's no way to address the 2 drives separately. Macsales said i shouldnt have to use disk utility because if one drive fails the led will light RED. They didnt say it would hurt the drive (corruption etc. ) No other comments about using DU first aid. You can see im not a raid expert by any means.... By "personalized help" you mean "no charge" for 30 days? Thank you David
  10. David, 1. Sorry to confuse. the original 'copy from 4T to raid' was done in finder. In ret the member in SFA 3 media set was changed from 4T to raid. Everything worked fine. Lenart posted that idea. And since then my journey has brought me thru many roads with the goal of using 4T as a safe. Eventually using 'copy backup' per your suggestion. Having a bit of 'panic' happen on the journey im now in this state. raid=regular media set (SFA 3) and backups going fine. 4T= a 'finder' copy of the media set SFA 3. 2. Before i did have my original media set SFA 3 still on 4T. And was 'leaving it there' cause i did not trust the raid yet. The last items we tried, was to do 'copy media set' from raid to 4T. That task failed. You asked, did i have enough space. We figured yes i did have enough space. But i thot maybe it needs the full 4TB's (i have the raid set to use all space). So i dumped my original set and cleared the drive. I did 'copy media set again. Thats when raid unmounted. Re-try then same=unmounted. After that i had panic about the raid. Unmounting can lead to corruption. So i did 'finder copy' to 4T. The changing number in ret 'use this much space' i had noticed a long the way. I would change it to 99% and the next time i checked it would be different. I even see 146GB/99%. Which obviously is not right. I honestly didnt think this would drag on so long, so i didnt start a trouble shoot log of events. I prob. should have. But I do our thread here. thank you for all your help.... its incredibly useful. b
  11. David, I do not know if the unmount event happened at the same point in the copy media set. Two items on your comments. Yes, i did set the space on the destination 4T to be large enough to hold the media set. When i returned to that very same page to check that i had set enough space i was surprised to see numbers had changed to be very low... Like 146Gb/ 46%. When I change them back to 3750/99% and left the page, on returning later the numbers had changed again. I thot this bizarre and stated it in my posts. So as it stands now there's 2 things that are not acting as you would expect. 1. when choosing a member there's nothing under the existing retrospect folder shown in the select dialog. Although the 1-SFA 3 member is indeed seen in the finder directory. And when I did this the very first time (retro 9) to move the set to raid, I DID SEE THE WHOLE DIRECTORY in retrospect. NOW i do not! 2. When setting the member space, the numbers will change when you visit the dialog again. Im not sure how much, when and which members change. (raid and/or 4T). It seems random. Although after checking the raid set many times I recall it sticking at 99%. Ill need to check that again. thanks
  12. I was seeing if Don had solved the issue. Reason for posting here. Id be happier to continue with the other newer thread i started. Yes, confusing is correct! Thanks for posting the link of the proper thread..... we should use that one since all my whoa's are there.
  13. Lennart After having the unmounting issue i got a little un-nerved and did a finder copy just to have the bu set on the single 4T drive. The raid drive did NOT unmount. That gives me some confidence that its not the raid drive that is buggy or going south. So the unmounting only happened on the "media set copy" task. I think it was about 4 hours into the copy that it unmounted. Not sure if was the same length of time on the 2 times I tried the "copy media set" in ret. David, Yes it does have that... just to inform you, i dumped the "copy media set" files we did last time. I didnt want to have any space issue (and not that it should been an issue as we discussed) to get my set (currently the only one) copied to back to the single drive from the raid. (a bit of panic on the unmounting problem i had). thank you b
  14. Well, Im still having some issues here....using ret 15 mac now. 1. I tried moving the media set back to a single drive from a raid drive. In the copy media set task the raid drive unmounted for no reason and ret thru the error "cant find volume" Iv done this 2 times. Both time the raid will just unmount in the middle of the task. Because of the unexpected unmounting and not knowing if its the raid drive or ret. doing this, I decided to put back the media set to the single drive, which now i trust more. 2. Now in selecting the path of the media set, NOTHING is in the "retrospect" folder. Its as it is empty. In the finder I see the correct path for the set. But not in retrospect. Don Lee, have you solved the moving media set yet?? I have emailed support and now have a ticket, but it took long enough for support to get back to me, that i am on to a bunch of diff issues than my original issue.
  15. I all seems so simple! Then the gotchya's come out.... On the rebuild, when adding the member im not getting anything contained within the retrospect folder. I click the carrot and nothing is shown..... So i can select a member to rebuild.... Maybe i should start from scratch deleting the media set, cat, and script. Just love the bumps in the road....Its a way of life really.... This was happening before. The nothing in the ret folder as it shows in the app.
  16. David, thank you for the insight! I did wonder how smart the ret app would be. Iv run into this before in other apps. Yes, I agree that naming and in app coding may be confused. Moves and delete's you suggested completed. Now, Im pondering what to do next. Redo the whole 'copy media set' task (deleting the stalled run data first) OR run it again as is OR create a 'copy backup' script and run (with dont add dupes and match checked). Since 'copy media set' had almost finished most of the data is copied. Re running it without "dont add dupes' and 'match source media' checked (so in the unchecked state) would add to the whole set to the existing set i believe, doubling most of it. Since most of the set is already copied, to me, it makes sense to do a 'copy backup' run. yes???? thank you bradp
  17. Iv checked for the avail space and what is where... 4T HD: 1.16Tb: my old and original media set called SFA 3. this was the orig. set i wanted to transfer to the raid drive. (and i have with your help and Lennarts). All is good. I didnt delete yet cause of cold feet. but Iv renamed the top folder so ret wont find it by mistake. (NO USE SFA 3SAFE 4t 111116) The word SAFE appears because i am lazy and did not change it back to SFA 3 4t 111116. 1.15Tb: my new "copy media set" that im working now with your help. This is the script that stalls for new media. I name this SFA 3 SAFE. and it resides in the "retrospect" folder. total Tb = 2.31tb (get info, Used: 2.3 TB on disk - Available 1.7 TB Zulu 4TR1 raid drive: 1.16Tb, Used by my REAL and in service media set SFA 3. 2.84TB are available via get info. SFA 3 4t 111116/retrospect/SFA 3/1-SFA 3 ---- Sorry, dont mean to not include my intentions. I wish to have ext RAID drive in service on site for daily backups. I wish to have INTernal 4T drive as the "OMG" the raid failed 100% my head is going to explode, in service on site as a redundant BU. I would like to do "copy backup" from Raid to 4T daily or weekly. The above size listings, to me, show that there is indeed enough space to copy the SFA 3 raid set (1.16tb) to the 4t HD which still has 1.7TB available. Yes?? And seeing that it has enough free space the copy media set should not stall for choose next media. thots? thank you
  18. Don, you might find my issues interesting. i did a move of my media set to a new drive with version 9. David and Lennart were very helpful. Unfortunately further issues still exist.
  19. Thank you! Ya, only one ret folder 🙂 the finder does show the 1-SFA 3 Safe member folder... It's Ret that is not finding it after a while?? At the end of 15 hours of copy.... I hope i dont have an issue with my regular media set..... and that is cause the copy to go south... Tomorrow Ill be calling into support and seeing if they have any solutions to my sitch. Ill post here if they do so anyone reading this will have the info.... David, thank you for all your help..... priceless! 🙂
  20. David, You are correct, I wasnt aware of the whole idea. Thanks for clarifying. So what I did is start at the beginning with a clean slate. (Im also using Ret 15 for mac now) >deleted safe media set, cat, files on the drive. Then created all new safe items. Media set, disk member with 99% use, copy media set script with correct options checked/unchecked. run the copy media script... At some point in the script run, almost at the end Ret pauses and give the "select new media" message. The original media set is 1.15TB in size. The new safe media set is 1.15TB in size. (as the finder reports after the script pauses for a new media member). So the script must be very close to the end. The safe media set drive has 1.7TB available to use. When I go to the SET's page in Ret, select the disk member and click the pencil tool to see how much is allocated for storage, the numbers are very low (44%) and not how i set them when setting up the member in the media set. (i set to 99%) Im a bit puzzled why the "use at most" size setting has changed. It did the same thing in Ret 9, and it asked for a new member when I tried doing the copy media set with vers 9. hmmmm... I do have my old media set on the drive but even with it there, should be plenty of room for the new safe set im trying to do. (as per your instructions). I would be open to deleting all files (my very original media set i had on this single drive) on the 4TB HD and start over if that is the problem. I have learned quite a bit here but maybe Im still lacking some understanding. So to recap: Im still having trouble getting the initial "copy media set" task to complete. I have not clicked stop on the current copy media set script in case there's something I can do before i stop it. When I click "choose media" in the summary page I get an empty retrospect folder (without it listing the contents of "retrospect" folder in the directory. Which is not right since I can see the directory path in the finder. (see attachment) If I select the 4T HD or retrospect folder and click ok, nothing happens. And I see that "use at most" is back to a lower number than originally set. (the number and percentage seem to change every time i open that folder. thots? thank you!
  21. Hi, (after looking for "deferred" I see that there's a bug going on. With a patch fix i believe. Ignore the content that refers to 'deferred") The size issue is still an issue. (I have just upgraded to Ret 15 mac..) I do think I should post this as a new topic, but you have a good understanding of what Iv been doing. I hope you have some insight. On my new raid media set Iv been backing up without any issues. Today, I noticed the word "deferred" in the date portion in the activities page. It also appears on the "modified" column in the scripts page. I checked to see the settings of the raid drive member in media set page. In the size options Im seeing 148GB and 100%. This raid is a 8T raid which is 4T avail. (select the media set then select the member and click the pencil tool) i reset it to 3750gb and 100% and try the backup again. It still says "deferred". Iv included picts.It does appear to be writing the backups. I have restored files that were backed up while seeing the "deferred" status. So they ARE being backup up. Any thots appreciated.
  22. David, Wouldnt deselecting those options force a full copy and write of the source files? So invoking the backup script would do a complete copy again, only with any new backup files added since the last full copy task? (hense not doing an incremental backup.) thank you bradp
  23. I just wanted to finalize this topic incase someone is trying to do this in the future. After setting up a "copy media set" script with the single 4T drive (to have my complete media set on another drive a side from the new raid drive) I did the copy. It took about a day to almost complete. I neglected to set the "size" of the disk member to be enough to copy the whole media set so it stopped and asked for a new member. I did reset the size to be sufficient and started the copy script. After an hour of "matching" I see that doing a copy of a media set this size (1.5 TB ish) the matching task seems to take much longer than I had assumed. I would of thought that the matching task would be sim to my normal backup activities which is pretty quick. Now I would think that the matching task will prob. take much longer than is feasible and Im going to abandon the idea of having my SAFE copy on another drive. I think it would much quicker to just copy the added individual files that are in the media set from the raid drive to the safe drive. Which to me seems kind of odd. If Im mistaken on the time it takes for RET to do the matching task, pls notify me. Perhaps Im doing something wrong or incorrectly. Thank everyone for all the help you have given me. Its much appreciated! bradp
  24. David, Seeing there is no way to use existing backup data with a new SAFE media set, I think the best option is your suggestion "copy media set". I did try to reverse engineer the catalog/media set to use my existing "single drive" data, but as you said, the backup set title "SFA 3" must be encoded into all the backup files and therefor cannot be repurposed to create my desire for a second Safety destination on the single drive. After getting boxed into a corner I replaced the catalogs and the "backup media" file that appears in the set (under folder "retrospect") with the originals and was let out of my corner. All is functioning correctly now after a bit of panic. (while trying to change the member back to the raid drive, ret. was giving me "an error occurred" and wouldn't let me point to my raid set. It was now pointed to the orig set on the single drive.) This leads me to believe that the architecture of media sets and destination files are more that meets the eye in the way they "work' with each other. It's like the "name" of the media set that you 'see' has no baring on what is actually is happening. So enough confusion. Ill take your suggestion to just do the media set copy over to the single drive. (id rather have my 'actual' set on the raid and do weekly "media copies" to the single drive. Also Thanks for the clarification on the "activity sets". I realize that all of this started with my wish to not have to copy another 15 hours, but as long as i can get a solution i dont mind another 15hr copy. thank you, brad p
  25. David, thank you for your help. I have gone thru and completed the steps outlined, reading in detail the manual. On completion of the steps it is shown that i get something that I wasnt expecting. On page 214 of the retro 10 manual I found it odd that the name of the backup media set was the original SFA 3 and not SFA 3SAFE. I had noted this in a past post because I wasnt sure if it was referring to the media set I now have on the raid drive. I decided to post this before clicking rebuild because i didnt want to screw my new location of the set on the raid drive. This time having clicked rebuild per instructions at the end of the rebuild i get a dialog saying an error and that, in my estimation, the name of the media set is somehow coded into the media set and is not dependent on the folder names you create in ret. (for the new SAFE set) When looking at the amount of data in the set SFA 3SAFE, I see that the set is empty without any files. (apologies for not having a screenshot)Here's the dialog error followed by the log text. Perhaps i should either invest in upgrading to the latest version (if it will solve my problem) or abandon the idea of having my backups on three drives for peace of mind. Id just start backing up data to the 3rd single drive from now into the future. The other idea I might investigate (from my limited knowledge) is to do a COPY of the media set to the single drive. I was hoping I could skip the 15 hour copy having experienced it once already. Maybe there just is no way to work the architecture of retrospect to complete the shortcut of just using the single drive existing data, morphing it into the different catalog. Thoughts are apreciated! brad p
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